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    Posted: March/18/2010 at 9:43am

I see that they are making a new MR12 is this about the same as MR11? And will my maps pretty much stay the same?

 

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soetje & cbr9rider,

The MR12 is very similar to the MR11, same octane rating and both are oxygenated, we have not tested the MR12 but the MR9 & MR11 both work with the same mapping so the MR12 should work fine with our track map.

All are leaded fuels.

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Thanks one other quick question.  Does these need to be drained out of tank at end of day?

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Yes, same as MR9 & MR11
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just wanbt to make sure I got this right. I have a stock 04 GSXR 1000 with a sidewinder and a brocks track map. Do I need it remapped for MR9 or MR11 or can I use the map already installed.
the more I know, the faster and sooner I will go
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Post Options Post Options   Quote *EJ* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/12/2010 at 10:42am
Track map is for MR9, MR11 and MR12 with air filter removed, if you have the track map installed you do not need to remap.
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What kind of E.T. difference will the MR fuels make over 87 pump gas?

07 GSXR1000, sidewinder, strapped, 64"

 

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7-10 HP gain, can make bike harder to launch because of increased power so it would depend on the rider.
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For those that haven't tried the MR12, I've been running the MR12 in my 08 Busa for 2 weeks now.  I was running MR11 prior.  I spoke with my VP folks out here in Phoenix to find out what the difference was between the two fuels.  I was told the new MR12 is more oxygenated that the 11.  I can honestly say I love the new stuff (and it smells good!).  From 89 (9.50's) and  MR11 (9.40's), I ran 9.28 (about 100F and on a HOT slippery track) with MR12.  60ft went from 1.49-1.52 to 1.40-1.43.  I can really feel the bike pick up right off the light (on my setup)  Shooting for 8's when the weather cools off this year.  My opinion, VP just made a heck of a replacement for the MR11.  I highly recommend for all you MR fuel guys.  You won't be disappointed.  Also, as reminder, you still need to drain the tank after use.     
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Quote: Originally posted by *EJ* on March 19 10
Yes, same as MR9 & MR11
what would be best out the 3 for an 07 gsxr 750 full brock alien head and ur track map
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any of the three when using track map with air filter removed.
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have yall done any testing with E85? If so what kinda results did you get versus MR12.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote *EJ* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/16/2010 at 11:16am
No and we will not test it, E85 (85% ethanol) does not make any power.
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Quote: Originally posted by *EJ* on July 16 10
No and we will not test it, E85 (85% ethanol) does not make any power.
That's interesting, my zx14 makes 10 hp more with E85 than 87 and 89 pump gas.
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It has an ethanol content which is far too high compared to standard fossil fuels. Itís 85% ethanol and 15% pump gas.

E85 cars are actually closed loop and will self compensate by adding additional fuel on the fly. Bikes don't work this way, I believe it could cause engine damage from an excessively lean condition.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote swiftkart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/04/2010 at 1:14pm
Quote: Originally posted by *EJ* on September 27 10
It has an ethanol content which is far too high compared to standard fossil fuels. Itís 85% ethanol and 15% pump gas.

E85 cars are actually closed loop and will self compensate by adding additional fuel on the fly. Bikes don't work this way, I believe it could cause engine damage from an excessively lean condition.

Not if you remap for the fuel, people have been running it for a couple of years in bikes, myself included.
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Swiftkart,

EJ did not relay my answer on the subject correctly, my apologies. 

Most current motorcycle fuel systems cannot easily support the additional fuel volume required to run E85. Currently, the proven exceptions to this rule would be the ZX-14 and the BMW. Our testing on (dual injector) Suzukiís found little or no additional power gain due to the inability to properly deliver the correct A/F ratio on the dyno, which was even worse during the longer run time on the track, hence the (very general) no power statement. FYI: These tests were performed with single power commanders using the stock fuel systems, as we are in the bolt-on/plug-in business. Given enough time, expense, hassleóthe power increase noticed from the higher energy value of the ethanol (combined with the reduction of inlet temperature) is undisputable. 

Because bikes do not have the ability to instantly adapt between E85 and pump gas, as a car would, and we do not consider forcing a customer to deal with any number of expense-adding/complicated means of adding an additional map, just to get home without fouling his plugs if they canít find an E85 pumpÖ we donít support E85 mapping. For race use, we havenít seen enough of a performance gain to justify the additional work/trouble/technical support issues for the minimal number of customer requests. BTW, the total number of requests is less than a handful since E85 was introduced. 

Although more expensive, we suggest powerful oxygenated race fuels, such as VP MR12, for an instant/measurable performance gain with very little additional trouble. 

I hope this helps clear things up. 

Brock

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Quote: Originally posted by Brock on October 09 10

Swiftkart,

EJ did not relay my answer on the subject correctly, my apologies. 

Most current motorcycle fuel systems cannot easily support the additional fuel volume required to run E85. Currently, the proven exceptions to this rule would be the ZX-14 and the BMW. Our testing on (dual injector) Suzukiís found little or no additional power gain due to the inability to properly deliver the correct A/F ratio on the dyno, which was even worse during the longer run time on the track, hence the (very general) no power statement. FYI: These tests were performed with single power commanders using the stock fuel systems, as we are in the bolt-on/plug-in business. Given enough time, expense, hassleóthe power increase noticed from the higher energy value of the ethanol (combined with the reduction of inlet temperature) is undisputable. 

Because bikes do not have the ability to instantly adapt between E85 and pump gas, as a car would, and we do not consider forcing a customer to deal with any number of expense-adding/complicated means of adding an additional map, just to get home without fouling his plugs if they canít find an E85 pumpÖ we donít support E85 mapping. For race use, we havenít seen enough of a performance gain to justify the additional work/trouble/technical support issues for the minimal number of customer requests. BTW, the total number of requests is less than a handful since E85 was introduced. 

Although more expensive, we suggest powerful oxygenated race fuels, such as VP MR12, for an instant/measurable performance gain with very little additional trouble. 

I hope this helps clear things up. 

Brock


I agree with you, most stock fuel systems won't work with the fuel, I am going to try some MR12, from what I'm hearing, it should do a lot better than the E85.

Thanks

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